From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Fri Jun 1 14:26:52 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Nitin S)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:56:52 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] microcontroller
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find any reference about it. can any body help me. with some idea.
regards nitin
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" One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.=20
No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man "
* Nitin Skandan
* Second year
* M tech Control systems=20
* College of engineering
* Trivandrum
* Kerala 691021
* Ph no: 91-474 740259 =
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Fri Jun 1 17:26:59 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Anil Kumar)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [FSF-India] microcontroller
In-Reply-To: <011501c0eaa8$12bc27a0$a6e8013d@compaq>
Message-ID:
did you try VSSC library?
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Nitin S wrote:
> I am looking for a seminar baseed on application of 80C51 microcontrollers in
> missiles and space vehicle control. But even after trying hard i cudnt find any reference about it. can any body help me. with some idea.
>
> regards nitin
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
> " One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.
> No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man "
>
> * Nitin Skandan
> * Second year
> * M tech Control systems
> * College of engineering
> * Trivandrum
> * Kerala 691021
>
> * Ph no: 91-474 740259
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
--
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sat Jun 2 18:15:43 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Nitin S)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 23:45:43 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] microcontroller
References:
Message-ID: <005301c0eb90$0adabfe0$7898c5cb@compaq>
tryingg
but it would have been nice if theres somebody working in that area
----- Original Message -----
From: Anil Kumar
To:
Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FSF-India] microcontroller
>
> did you try VSSC library?
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Nitin S wrote:
>
> > I am looking for a seminar baseed on application of 80C51
microcontrollers in
> > missiles and space vehicle control. But even after trying hard i cudnt
find any reference about it. can any body help me. with some idea.
> >
> > regards nitin
> >
____________________________________________________________________________
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> >
> > " One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.
> > No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man "
> >
> > * Nitin Skandan
> > * Second year
> > * M tech Control systems
> > * College of engineering
> > * Trivandrum
> > * Kerala 691021
> >
> > * Ph no: 91-474 740259
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> --
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> _______________________________________________
> http://gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-india
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sun Jun 3 11:32:05 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Satyakam Goswami)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:02:05 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS itenary
In-Reply-To: <005301c0eb90$0adabfe0$7898c5cb@compaq>
References: <005301c0eb90$0adabfe0$7898c5cb@compaq>
Message-ID: <1364.192.168.0.1.991567925.squirrel@mail.archeanit.net>
Hello,
What is the iteinary of Mr Stallman, can anyone brief us on that.
especially where all he will be visiting apart from Kerala.
S.Goswami
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Victory Vihar,Himayatnagar
Hyderabad 500029,www.archeanit.com
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 4 07:36:27 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:06:27 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS itenary
In-Reply-To: <1364.192.168.0.1.991567925.squirrel@mail.archeanit.net>
Message-ID:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 at 17:02, Satyakam Goswami wrote:
What is the iteinary of Mr Stallman, can anyone brief us on
that. especially where all he will be visiting apart from
Kerala.
17 July 2001 -- Bombay -- arrival
17 July 2001 -- talk at the Homi Babha Hall (TIFR)
18 July 2001 -- Trivandrum -- arrival
20 July 2001 -- Inauguration of FSF India
21 July 2001 -- talks to the students (foornoon)
College of Engineering, Trivandrum
session with Technopark community (afternoon)
24 July 2001 -- talk at the Model Engineering College, Kochi
24 July 2001 -- departure to Baroda (we dont have any idea of
(evening) RMS' Baroda program)
3/4 Aug 2001 -- talk at the IIT, Delhi
4/5 Aug 2001 -- Fly out of India
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 4 08:04:23 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:34:23 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS' talk at New York Univ.
Message-ID:
If you are interested to read Richard Stallman's talk at the New
York University on 29 May 2001, please visit our `what's new' page,
the pointers for downloading the document in pdf format and TeX
sources are available there:
http://gnu.org.in/news/whatsnew.html
The document is 24p long, 290 KB file size and source file size is
110 KB.
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 6 04:21:34 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 09:51:34 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Interview
Message-ID: <3B1DAFCE.D4B2AA0B@ti.com>
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/05/122240&mode=thread
Anyone who is interested in legal aspects of Free Software *must* read this
interview.
--
Ramakrishnan M
World Wide Web: http://www.symonds.net/~rkrishnan/
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they
fight you. Then you win." -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Fri Jun 8 19:37:37 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:07:37 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] schools, trinity, australia
Message-ID:
Here is an exciting story.
Trinity drinks deeply at learning's open source
Tuesday 05 June, 2001
By NATHAN COCHRANE
A non-stop flow of students interrupts the interview in the Trinity College
computer lab.
"You can tell it's popular," system administrator and programmer Tim
Bell says of the lab.
Trinity College, at Melbourne University, threw open the doors to
open source in December last year when it discarded its Windows NT
network. Educators and technical staff wanted a better, cheaper way
to teach the 750 overseas students in its Foundation Studies
tertiary bridging course, which introduces Western concepts and
computing skills.
The old PCs were replaced with Hewlett-Packard e-pcs, referred to as
thin clients because they do not not run bulky software on hard disk
drives. They boot up with the Debian Linux Free Software operating
system either off the network or from flash memory cards.
The biggest benefits to educators of open source are cost,
simplicity and flexibility, says Trinity ITT manager Richard Wraith.
The idea to go with a network-centric open source strategy came to
him after spotting Sun Microsystems' Sun Rays at a Canberra
conference last year. He says after initial scepticism, students and
staff have taken to the network with enthusiasm.
"We saw the idea for Sun Rays, although they missed a fundamental
point," says Wraith. "The Sun model means you need a high-capacity
network and powerful servers."
"It needs a gigabit backbone - that's stupid," Bell chimes in. "This
makes sense for Sun because they have these big boxes they want to
sell but ... it didn't make sense for us because our old fibre
backbone will only support 100 Mbps."
Although the lab uses Debian with the GNOME desktop environment,
Trinity was stuck with its Windows 2000 desktop licences. They sit,
unused and unopened, in a cupboard.
After being assured the HP clients would run Linux, "we couldn't get
through to anyone who could give us boxes without Windows," says
Wraith.
By booting from the network, desktop administration is streamlined
as software is deployed from a central server, saving time and cost.
Clients are swapped in and out quickly, and consistent and rigorous
security is maintained. The result is a lower total cost of
ownership, Bell says.
The transition removed the need for Microsoft's Office. Word, Excel
and Powerpoint were replaced with open source equivalents AbiWord,
GNUmeric, and the Photoshop-like GNU Image ManiPulator (GIMP).
Presentation packages are not taught but if they were, KPresenter,
part of the free KOffice suite, would be the likely candidate, says
Wraith.
The team stresses that software selection is not fixed and the easy
availability of open source applications means the curriculum can
quickly change tack.
"We're educating, not training," Bell says. "The argument we're
talking about here is: `You have to teach Microsoft Word'.
"Why are you teaching people Hamlet? They won't use it in the real
world. You can take that argument and put it in another area and
it's nonsensical. So why do people insist on using it in
computing?," Wraith says.
"We do teach them word processing and spreadsheets and GIMP," says
Linux guru and computing lecturer Mike Williams, "but we're also
teaching the students the concepts behind them." By discovering the
concepts, students are less fearful of computers than they might be
if they were only narrowly trained to use a program, he says.
Williams was brought in by computing lecturer-in-charge Simon
Wilkinson, a self-confessed former "Bill Gates man".
Wilkinson says his transition from complete ignorance of open source
to user and finally evangelist was swift and painless, in part due
to his computer science background.
"The beauty of open source is we could find applications if we
needed to," Wilkinson says. "We can go from one word processor to
the next seamlessly. "We're developing a culture where (students)
are not afraid to try new things, and that was due particularly
because I wasn't scared of anything."
Part of that culture is the free, object-oriented programming
language, Python. It is the first language to gain wide and growing
acceptance since Sun's Java started percolating through businesses
and universities. Python's streamlined syntax is well suited to
education while its object orientation makes it attractive to
commerce.
Dutch mathematician Guido van Rossum invented Python in 1990. It
evolved from a '80s programming teaching language, ABC, which
"subliminally influenced" Python's design, he says. He has lobbied
Trinity to release its course materials so other educators can
benefit.
Code is interpreted so the feedback loop between language and
student is not slowed by compiling. This speeds the learning process
because mistakes are rapidly corrected and good style immediately
reinforced.
"Since early 1999, I've been actively lobbying for the use of Python
as a teaching language," Van Rossum says.
"Before then, I knew that people were teaching Python to beginners
succesfully, but it wasn't something that was particularly on my own
radar."
Python has spread to schools throughout the world. It sports an
active e-mail list and Web-based materials to support its spread
among educators.
Python runs on Windows, UNIX, Linux, DOS, OS/2, Mac, Amiga and
hendhelds such as Palm and WindowsCE. Vancouver software tools
maker, Active State, is porting Python to Microsoft's .NET
initiative.
Python exhibits all the hallmarks of a modern language - modules,
classes, exceptions, very high level dynamic data types, and dynamic
typing - and interfaces to modern windowing systems such as Mac, X11
and Motif. It supports XML for e-commerce and mobile applications.
Integrated development environments are widely used.
The commercial world has seen the benefits, with Infoseek coding
28,000 lines of its UltraSeek Server search engine in Python.
Google, Nortel, ABN Amro, Real Networks, and NASA are among hundreds
of commercial and research users. Animators at Industrial Light and
Magic used Python to code parts of the new Star Wars trilogy. Disney
animators and games designers code multimedia sequences with it.
Van Rossum says Python teaches object-oriented programming without
the intellectual overhead of other learning languages.
"Pascal totally misses the trend of object-oriented programming,
which is essential for building or using today's large systems.
"BlueJ is Java-based, and the main problem I have with Java as a
first language - although it's much better than C++ - is that the
students have to memorise a lot of meaningless details in order to
do the simplest things.
"Every time there's an opportunity to get a weird compilation error
due to a missing or misplaced semicolon, teacher and student time is
wasted finding, explaining and correcting the problem that could be
better spent learning the fundamental concepts of programming and
algorithms."
"We don't have to deal with vendors or licenses. From a management
perspective it's so compelling," says Trinity's Wraith.
"We'd rather have skills in-house and invest money in our own people
rather than other companies' people. If you're tied to a vendor it
takes the control out of your hands."
LINKS
trinity.unimelb.edu.au
www.python.org
www.hp.com/desktops/epc/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 12 14:11:11 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Jayan S R)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:41:11 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
In-Reply-To: <3B1DAFCE.D4B2AA0B@ti.com>
Message-ID:
hi all
while compling XFree86-4 on Debian.
XFree86 complied with no errors, but when i run make install ( this is
where it compiles some of the X programs like xterm etc ) I got few
errors.
1. cannot find lz ( this is the Zlib library. All the libz.so..
are present in /usr/lib but the static lib was missing. oops I did not
install it ok I unpacked the src and built a static lib and copied to
/usr/lib and ran ldconfing. -- that error was fixed!!
2. ncurses was missing ok i managed to get the source compiled and
installd and -- that error too fixed!!
after all the process It is giving one more error which I could not fix.
Too many levels of symlinks aborting
......................
Error make failed...
........
any ideas why this happens? or am I missing something.
regards
--
jsr
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 13 08:32:19 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:02:19 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
References:
Message-ID: <3B272513.443746D9@ti.com>
> while compling XFree86-4 on Debian.
>
> XFree86 complied with no errors, but when i run make install ( this is
> where it compiles some of the X programs like xterm etc ) I got few
> errors.
>
> 1. cannot find lz ( this is the Zlib library. All the libz.so..
> are present in /usr/lib but the static lib was missing. oops I did not
> install it ok I unpacked the src and built a static lib and copied to
> /usr/lib and ran ldconfing. -- that error was fixed!!
> 2. ncurses was missing ok i managed to get the source compiled and
> installd and -- that error too fixed!!
First of all where did you download the sources from? The best thing would be
to download the sources from debian archives itself, as it will have (probably)
debian specific fixes to Makefile and other things added. Also it will download
and install (if you use 'apt-get source packagename') the various dependencies
of the source required to compile.
--
Ramakrishnan M
GPG: 1024D/6A9F3C38 WWW: http://www.symonds.net/~rkrishnan/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 13 08:56:55 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (harshu)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:26:55 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20010613142655.A261@hd2.vsnl.net.in>
hi,
i had faced this problem some time ago. i have attached the suggestions made on the ilughyd. hope that helps. i couldn't test it out as my machine crashed beyond recovery.
regards
harsha
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:41:11PM +0530, Jayan S R wrote:
> while compling XFree86-4 on Debian.
>
>
> Too many levels of symlinks aborting
> ......................
> Error make failed...
> ........
>
> any ideas why this happens? or am I missing something.
>
----------
hi,
i was trying to compile XFree86 4.0.3. the result was this error.
too many levels of sym links. what does this mean and when does this error occur ?
harsha
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/oclock'
installing in programs/proxymngr...
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/proxymngr'
+ install -c -m 0444 PM.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
+ install -c -m 0444 PMproto.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
install -c proxymngr /usr/X11R6/bin/proxymngr
install -c -m 0444 pmconfig /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig
install: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig: Too many levels of symbolic links ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
make[3]: *** [install] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/proxymngr'
make[2]: *** [install] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc'
make: *** [install] Error 2
--- bsd_linux wrote:
> hi,
> i was trying to compile XFree86 4.0.3. the result was this error.
> too many levels of sym links. what does this mean and when does this
> error occur ?
This happens when one of your symlinks is directly or indirectly pointing
to itself.
Example:
>> ln -s file /tmp
>> ls -l /tmp/file
lrwxrwxrwx 1 prakashk prakashk 4 Apr 2 16:40 /tmp/file -> file
>> cat /tmp/file
cat: /tmp/file: Too many levels of symbolic links
>> namei /tmp/file
f: /tmp/file
d /
d tmp
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file *** EXCEEDED UNIX LIMIT OF SYMLINKS ***
As you can see, 'namei' shows where the circular reference is.
/prakash
> harsha
>
>
>
>
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/oclock'
> installing in programs/proxymngr...
> make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/proxymngr'
> + install -c -m 0444 PM.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
> + install -c -m 0444 PMproto.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
> install -c proxymngr /usr/X11R6/bin/proxymngr
> install -c -m 0444 pmconfig /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig
> install: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig: Too many levels of symbolic
> links
> [..snip..]
bsd_linux [Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 12:18:05AM +0530]
> hi,
> i was trying to compile XFree86 4.0.3. the result was this error.
> too many levels of sym links. what does this mean and when does this error occur ?
>
> harsha
>
Looks like Ur installing over an existing installation by using
'make install' Right. If so please rm or mv the existing installations
and then give it a try. I am sure it will work then on.
This problem occured to me when I tried installing xf 4.0.2 over my
3.3.6. And I did the same.
Bye
Raghuram Vijapurapu
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 13 12:03:44 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Jayan S R)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:33:44 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
In-Reply-To: <20010613142655.A261@hd2.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, harshu wrote:
> hi,
> i had faced this problem some time ago. i have attached the suggestions made on the ilughyd. hope that helps. i couldn't test it out as my machine crashed beyond recovery.
>
> regards
> harsha
thanks harshu, it worked. It was because i was doing make install over the
same dir after making corrections to the missing libs.
regards
jsr
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sat Jun 16 11:51:04 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Nitin S)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:21:04 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] fuzzysets
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" One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.=20
No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man "
* Nitin Skandan
* Second year
* M tech Control systems=20
* College of engineering
* Trivandrum
* Kerala 691021
* Ph no: 91-474 740259 =
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* College of engineering
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 18 03:53:00 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Preetham Shimoga)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:23:00 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] fuzzysets
References: <002401c0f65a$b24db320$c1e8013d@compaq>
Message-ID: <3B2D7B1C.9B8452ED@wipro.com>
hi,
i dont know how my name got attached to this club, can anyone take out
my name from this mailing list
thanks
Preetham
Nitin S wrote:
> Is there anybody here who has idea of genetic algorithms and fuzzy
> logic ______________________________________________________________________________ "
> One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.
> No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man " * Nitin
> Skandan
> * Second year
> * M tech Control systems
> * College of engineering
> * Trivandrum
> * Kerala 691021 * Ph no: 91-474 740259
> ________________________________________
> _____________________________________
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 18 03:45:46 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (R Sreekumar)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:15:46 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] fuzzysets
References: <002401c0f65a$b24db320$c1e8013d@compaq>
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Genetic Algorithms by Goldberg gives a complete picture about GE. There =
are lot of sites which give examples of usage of genetic algorithms.
Sreekumar
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* Nitin Skandan
* Second year
* M tech Control systems=20
* College of engineering
* Trivandrum
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Sreekumar
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fuzzysets
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 19 15:50:54 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (fsf-india@gnu.org.in)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:20:54 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Software
Message-ID: <005401c0f8d9$2511f760$1871c5cb@corp>
Hi -
I need to prepare a network for a construction firm for the sections:
* General Accounts
* Cash
* Registration certificates offered to their associates
* Building plans and
* Service file of their employees.
It's mandatory to have GUI as the building plans would be scanned copies of
the original sanctioned building plans. I think MySQL should be a good for
the database part but can the building plans thing, be incorporated in that
too ? And, what software would you people recommend, if we have something in
open source, that would suffice these for me.
Also would it be possible to implement something like, a main server
connected with the terminals on a LAN or it would be mandatory to keep every
machine with hard disk support.
I'm basically a novice and this is sort of a project work for me. Any and
all suggestions would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks!
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 19 18:25:54 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Raju Mathur)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:55:54 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS' visit to Delhi
Message-ID: <15151.39218.304826.244781@mail.linux-delhi.org>
Hi,
Any updates on when RMS is likely to be in Delhi and if anything is
fixed up? We'd like to plan given the itinerary.
Regards,
-- Raju
--
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 19 18:27:03 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Raju Mathur)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:57:03 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Software
In-Reply-To: <005401c0f8d9$2511f760$1871c5cb@corp>
References: <005401c0f8d9$2511f760$1871c5cb@corp>
Message-ID: <15151.39287.786087.648274@mail.linux-delhi.org>
You can use GNUCash as the base for building on.
http://www.gnucash.org/
Regards,
-- Raju
>>>>> "charmie" == charmie writes:
charmie> Hi - I need to prepare a network for a construction firm
charmie> for the sections:
charmie> * General Accounts * Cash * Registration certificates
charmie> offered to their associates * Building plans and *
charmie> Service file of their employees.
--
Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 20 10:19:58 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (titty jacob)
Date: 20 Jun 2001 04:19:58 MDT
Subject: [[FSF-India] Software]
Message-ID: <20010620101958.15406.qmail@nwcst281.netaddress.usa.net>
charmie@caltiger.com wrote:
>Also would it be possible to implement something like, a main server
>connected with the terminals on a LAN or it would be mandatory to keep >every
machine with hard disk support.
Link to the site www.ltsp.org for remote booting Diskless Workstations over a
network.
Lv. Tt
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 21 04:47:58 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:17:58 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] what constitutes your GNU/Linux?
Message-ID: <3B317C7E.83D939B8@ti.com>
A detailed analysis of RH7.1 distro about the various constituents, and their
licences... As expected GPL remains at number one...
http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/redhat71sloc.html
--
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GPG: 1024D/6A9F3C38 WWW: http://www.symonds.net/~rkrishnan/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sun Jun 24 05:35:37 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Denish Makadia)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:05:37 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Freedom First - Activities.
Message-ID: <001601c0fc6f$855b5aa0$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Hello all,
Doesn't hear much about Conference on the list.
Is everything arranged by few at Trivandrum? or its dealt with offlist?
Would like to know about Participants to be present.
denish
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 25 05:34:25 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:04:25 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Freedom First - Activities.
In-Reply-To: <001601c0fc6f$855b5aa0$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Message-ID:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 at 11:05, Denish Makadia wrote:
Doesn't hear much about Conference on the list.
In the first place there is enough time of three weeks left now for
the event. And the tentative dates of the program are available on
the web site.
Secondly, the working group convened on the last weekend to finalize
dates and logistics. It's only Monday morning now, the authorized
persons have to draft it and release to the main list. After all,
FSF India do not enjoy the luxury of an office with supporting
staff, so all things are at the mercy of time and efforts of the
volunteers. As you can imagine, volunteers have pressures at their
work especially in the beginning of a week.
Be patient, the details will appear very very soon.
Is everything arranged by few at Trivandrum? or its dealt with
What a few at Trivandrum can accomplish without the help and support
of you people? I'm afraid the question ebbs from misapprehensions
which is unwarranted in the light of what we have done so far.
offlist? Would like to know about Participants to be present.
I would respectfully disagree with this demand, it relates to the
privacy of other persons. Are we authorized to reveal the names of
the participants? The list has to decide.
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 03:02:11 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:32:11 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Half God, Half Dirty GNU Hippy
Message-ID: <3B37FB33.D3DCDC78@ti.com>
This is about Richard M Stallman
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/6/24/235140/350
--
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GPG: 1024D/6A9F3C38 WWW: http://www.symonds.net/~rkrishnan/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 25 04:53:11 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Rajkumar S.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:23:11 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] MS provides GPLd software
Message-ID:
Hi,
For all the MS ranting about GPL, they infact provide software under
GPL and the source is available in a microsoft.com address.
After all, All we said that GPL is not good for YOUR business not ours
:)
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/developr/interix/
make sure to read gpl.txt in this directory.
This is the main page
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows2000/interix/
raj
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sun Jun 24 09:50:23 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Rajkumar S.)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:20:23 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
Message-ID:
Hi,
I am not getting the slashdot and freshmeat for the past 2 days. The
ip is not even pinging. Does any one experience the same problems?
raj
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 05:46:28 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Tirthankar C.P)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:46:28 +0500 (GMT+0500)
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rajkumar S. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not getting the slashdot and freshmeat for the past 2 days. The
> ip is not even pinging. Does any one experience the same problems?
>
Freshmeat is fine. No problems there.
-tir
> raj
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-india
>
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 06:36:17 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Denish Makadia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:06:17 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] [LONG] Freedom First - Activities.
References:
Message-ID: <00e001c0fe0d$05666340$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Hello,
Sorry for being impatient and shooting a mail with questions only, instead
of offering some help.and Thanks for taking all the pain.
I feel that i am misunderstood, and would like to clear contentions of my
previous mail.For more clarity, few lines about me.
I am not connected with Computer Profession, and attracted to FSF
purely by the Philosophy it ( would have used WE) holds, and quite exited
to meet the people in person who leave by that philosopy and unselfish
motives.
Moreover I would be attending first Conference in *Computers * field, at
which I am a novice.{I am an Engineer in Plastics and work as a Works
Manager with some organisation in Baroda. }
----- Original Message -----
From: Radhakrishnan CV
> Doesn't hear much about Conference on the list.
I am having the knowledge about FSF-I limited around the website and this
list,
(doesn't have any idea about how can I help, so anticipated that if
anything )
> In the first place there is enough time of three weeks left now for
> the event. And the tentative dates of the program are available on
> the web site.
>
> Secondly, the working group convened on the last weekend to finalize
> dates and logistics. It's only Monday morning now, the authorized
> persons have to draft it and release to the main list. After all,
> FSF India do not enjoy the luxury of an office with supporting
> staff, so all things are at the mercy of time and efforts of the
> volunteers. As you can imagine, volunteers have pressures at their
> work especially in the beginning of a week.
>
> Be patient, the details will appear very very soon.
Will not be impatient, (I now think I had been impatient in process of
Registration also), but now you might have got the idea of my eagerness,
and again beg your pardon for spoiling The fine Monday Morning.
> Is everything arranged by few at Trivandrum? or its dealt with
>
> What a few at Trivandrum can accomplish without the help and support
I fully agree, and extend my support at anything i would be able to do, and
can detail more of my capabilities offlist if required.
But my contention was :
Are all the Arrangements left to them only, without any helping hands ?or
People are helping them but the discussions are offlist/ in person.
> of you people? I'm afraid the question ebbs from misapprehensions
> which is unwarranted in the light of what we have done so far.
I have a little idea about it since my lurking around FD.net and FD india.
(hope i am there in Archives :)
and I highly appriciate the efforts put by all of them who had made this to
happen in India, and I always wish to be a part of it if time permits.
> offlist? Would like to know about Participants to be present.
>
> I would respectfully disagree with this demand, it relates to the
> privacy of other persons. Are we authorized to reveal the names of
> the participants? The list has to decide.
>
I didn't intended to break the privacy of anyone, but i was eager to know
more about people I am going to see, and if it was a unfair, I dont have to
ask anything about it.
OTOH I request those prticipants to give me their contacts offlist, if they
can help this newcomer to understand this field when i am there at Tutorials
and Conference....
Hope that I had cleared the things, and would be allowed to know the things
at depth ( to the extent i am found to be fit.)
Thanking Again.
Denish Makadia
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 07:29:26 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:59:26 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] [LONG] Freedom First - Activities.
In-Reply-To: <00e001c0fe0d$05666340$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 at 12:06, Denish Makadia wrote:
Sorry for being impatient and shooting a mail with questions
only, instead of offering some help.and Thanks for taking all
the pain.
No problems, it is all part of any such efforts.
I am not connected with Computer Profession, and attracted to
FSF purely by the Philosophy it ( would have used WE) holds,
Excellent. We need people like you to come forward to take the
message to the people.
and quite exited to meet the people in person who leave by
that philosopy and unselfish motives. Moreover I would be
attending first Conference in *Computers * field, at which I
am a novice.{I am an Engineer in Plastics and work as a Works
Manager with some organisation in Baroda. }
It is the user community that we value much and indeed they are the
starting point of any change that Free Software can bring forth.
I am having the knowledge about FSF-I limited around the
website and this list, (doesn't have any idea about how can I
help, so anticipated that if anything )
You can help if you come a little earlier to the event, because we
need volunteers to do a variety of things. You can choose any type
of work that is fit for your mood, attitudes, abilities and so
on and it will be all the more fun and exciting for all of us.
> Be patient, the details will appear very very soon.
Will not be impatient, (I now think I had been impatient in
process of Registration also), but now you might have got the
idea of my eagerness, and again beg your pardon for spoiling
The fine Monday Morning.
Dont be apologetic, we are all in the same boat and are eager to see
things move fast. Within two days (possibly today itself) you will
hear announcements about the details of topics and resource persons
of the pre-conference tutorial.
But my contention was : Are all the Arrangements left to them
only, without any helping hands ?or People are helping them
but the discussions are offlist/ in person.
When an event is scheduled to happen at a particular geographical
location, naturally those available around can only help in the
logistics of the event at least in the initial period. Of course,
those from other parts of the country can do help during the event
which is always welcome from anyone.
I didn't intended to break the privacy of anyone, but i was
eager to know more about people I am going to see, and if it
was a unfair, I dont have to ask anything about it.
I was sure about your pristine intentions, but sadly everyone cant
be expected to agree with your request.
OTOH I request those prticipants to give me their contacts
offlist,
That would be fine. Also by around 5th July, we will create another
list for participants to inform them programs, announcements and to
answer if the partipants have any querries.
if they can help this newcomer to understand this
field when i am there at Tutorials and Conference....
Dont worry, most of the tutorial presentations will be made
available well in advance and the URLs will be sent to you, so that
you will be familiar with the topics/issues that are being covered
in the tutorial.
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 09:09:16 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Vinay George)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:09:16 +0400
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
References:
Message-ID: <002e01c0fe1f$ae8aff00$c488a9ca@arackal.co.in>
Hi
I getting both slashdot and freshmeat.................
Vinay
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 11:56:46 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Suraj Kumar S.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:26:46 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
In-Reply-To: ; from raj@gnu.org.in on Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 03:20:23PM +0530
References:
Message-ID: <20010626172646.A21642@in.inapp.com>
raj, it was some local routing problem of asianet.
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 03:20:23PM +0530, Rajkumar S. wrote:
> I am not getting the slashdot and freshmeat for the past 2 days. The
> ip is not even pinging. Does any one experience the same problems?
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 13:16:55 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Rajkumar S.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:46:55 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
In-Reply-To: <20010626172646.A21642@in.inapp.com>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Suraj Kumar S. wrote:
> raj, it was some local routing problem of asianet.
No. The main Andover.net router melted, taking /. fm and others off.
That was the reason. I posted the mail on sunday, due to some problem
it only turned up today.
raj
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 28 08:15:30 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Amitabh Trehan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS' visit to Delhi
In-Reply-To: <15151.39218.304826.244781@mail.linux-delhi.org>
Message-ID: <20010628081530.17787.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com>
I've been hearing here(Delhi) that Stallman is likely
to visit IIT delhi. Is that true?
Amitabh
--- Raju Mathur wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Any updates on when RMS is likely to be in Delhi and
> if anything is
> fixed up? We'd like to plan given the itinerary.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Raju
> --
> Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org
> http://kandalaya.org/
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 28 09:22:09 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Loic Dachary)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:22:09 +0200
Subject: [FSF-India] FSF France activity report
Message-ID: <15162.63297.795588.239607@dachary.org>
Hi,
I'd like to share with you our activity report. You will find more
information about our activities in France at
http://france.fsfeurope.org/index.en.html. You will also see links to
GNU or FSF reprensentations world wide in the top right menu bar,
including FSF India ;-)
Take care,
----- http://france.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-05-20-01.en.html
FSF France activity report
The [1]FSF Europe presence in France started its activity on April
12, a little more than a month ago. We worked hard to launch the
core activities that will allow us to implement the goals of the
[2]FSF and the [3]FSF Europe : provide Free Software for everything
and everyone and protect its existence when it is threatened.
Building the [4]administrative and [5]informational infrastructure
came first. It's an endless task but we had to create something to
begin with: a [6]machine located in France that is integrated to
the [7]GNU project and a [8]French non profit organization.
Then it was necessary to establish working relationships with the
French association acting since years for the Free Software
movement in France: [9]APRIL. Cooperation between organizations
requires some amount of magic. After two [10]brainstormings, an
[11]exhibition, a [12]fiesta and many GNU project related
activities the magic apparently worked. [13]APRIL members feel they
belong to [14]the french chapter of FSF Europe (FSF France) and
[15]FSF France members feel they belong to [16]APRIL. A French
association dedicated to Free Software in education ([17]OFSET)
recently united to [18]FSF Europe and we expect the same symbiosis
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 28 09:22:09 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Loic Dachary)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:22:09 +0200
Subject: [FSF-India] FSF France activity report
Message-ID: <15162.63297.795588.239607@dachary.org>
Hi,
I'd like to share with you our activity report. You will find more
information about our activities in France at
http://france.fsfeurope.org/index.en.html. You will also see links to
GNU or FSF reprensentations world wide in the top right menu bar,
including FSF India ;-)
Take care,
----- http://france.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-05-20-01.en.html
FSF France activity report
The [1]FSF Europe presence in France started its activity on April
12, a little more than a month ago. We worked hard to launch the
core activities that will allow us to implement the goals of the
[2]FSF and the [3]FSF Europe : provide Free Software for everything
and everyone and protect its existence when it is threatened.
Building the [4]administrative and [5]informational infrastructure
came first. It's an endless task but we had to create something to
begin with: a [6]machine located in France that is integrated to
the [7]GNU project and a [8]French non profit organization.
Then it was necessary to establish working relationships with the
French association acting since years for the Free Software
movement in France: [9]APRIL. Cooperation between organizations
requires some amount of magic. After two [10]brainstormings, an
[11]exhibition, a [12]fiesta and many GNU project related
activities the magic apparently worked. [13]APRIL members feel they
belong to [14]the french chapter of FSF Europe (FSF France) and
[15]FSF France members feel they belong to [16]APRIL. A French
association dedicated to Free Software in education ([17]OFSET)
recently united to [18]FSF Europe and we expect the same symbiosis
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Fri Jun 1 14:26:52 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Nitin S)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:56:52 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] microcontroller
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regards nitin
_________________________________________________________________________=
_____
" One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.=20
No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man "
* Nitin Skandan
* Second year
* M tech Control systems=20
* College of engineering
* Trivandrum
* Kerala 691021
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Fri Jun 1 17:26:59 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Anil Kumar)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [FSF-India] microcontroller
In-Reply-To: <011501c0eaa8$12bc27a0$a6e8013d@compaq>
Message-ID:
did you try VSSC library?
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Nitin S wrote:
> I am looking for a seminar baseed on application of 80C51 microcontrollers in
> missiles and space vehicle control. But even after trying hard i cudnt find any reference about it. can any body help me. with some idea.
>
> regards nitin
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
> " One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.
> No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man "
>
> * Nitin Skandan
> * Second year
> * M tech Control systems
> * College of engineering
> * Trivandrum
> * Kerala 691021
>
> * Ph no: 91-474 740259
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
--
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sat Jun 2 18:15:43 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Nitin S)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 23:45:43 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] microcontroller
References:
Message-ID: <005301c0eb90$0adabfe0$7898c5cb@compaq>
tryingg
but it would have been nice if theres somebody working in that area
----- Original Message -----
From: Anil Kumar
To:
Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FSF-India] microcontroller
>
> did you try VSSC library?
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Nitin S wrote:
>
> > I am looking for a seminar baseed on application of 80C51
microcontrollers in
> > missiles and space vehicle control. But even after trying hard i cudnt
find any reference about it. can any body help me. with some idea.
> >
> > regards nitin
> >
____________________________________________________________________________
__
> >
> > " One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.
> > No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man "
> >
> > * Nitin Skandan
> > * Second year
> > * M tech Control systems
> > * College of engineering
> > * Trivandrum
> > * Kerala 691021
> >
> > * Ph no: 91-474 740259
> >
____________________________________________________________________________
__
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-india
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sun Jun 3 11:32:05 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Satyakam Goswami)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:02:05 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS itenary
In-Reply-To: <005301c0eb90$0adabfe0$7898c5cb@compaq>
References: <005301c0eb90$0adabfe0$7898c5cb@compaq>
Message-ID: <1364.192.168.0.1.991567925.squirrel@mail.archeanit.net>
Hello,
What is the iteinary of Mr Stallman, can anyone brief us on that.
especially where all he will be visiting apart from Kerala.
S.Goswami
----------------------------
Archean Infotech
Victory Vihar,Himayatnagar
Hyderabad 500029,www.archeanit.com
Ph:3228666,6570704,3228674
Mobile:9849016667
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 4 07:36:27 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:06:27 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS itenary
In-Reply-To: <1364.192.168.0.1.991567925.squirrel@mail.archeanit.net>
Message-ID:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 at 17:02, Satyakam Goswami wrote:
What is the iteinary of Mr Stallman, can anyone brief us on
that. especially where all he will be visiting apart from
Kerala.
17 July 2001 -- Bombay -- arrival
17 July 2001 -- talk at the Homi Babha Hall (TIFR)
18 July 2001 -- Trivandrum -- arrival
20 July 2001 -- Inauguration of FSF India
21 July 2001 -- talks to the students (foornoon)
College of Engineering, Trivandrum
session with Technopark community (afternoon)
24 July 2001 -- talk at the Model Engineering College, Kochi
24 July 2001 -- departure to Baroda (we dont have any idea of
(evening) RMS' Baroda program)
3/4 Aug 2001 -- talk at the IIT, Delhi
4/5 Aug 2001 -- Fly out of India
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 4 08:04:23 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:34:23 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS' talk at New York Univ.
Message-ID:
If you are interested to read Richard Stallman's talk at the New
York University on 29 May 2001, please visit our `what's new' page,
the pointers for downloading the document in pdf format and TeX
sources are available there:
http://gnu.org.in/news/whatsnew.html
The document is 24p long, 290 KB file size and source file size is
110 KB.
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 6 04:21:34 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 09:51:34 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Interview
Message-ID: <3B1DAFCE.D4B2AA0B@ti.com>
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/05/122240&mode=thread
Anyone who is interested in legal aspects of Free Software *must* read this
interview.
--
Ramakrishnan M
World Wide Web: http://www.symonds.net/~rkrishnan/
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they
fight you. Then you win." -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Fri Jun 8 19:37:37 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:07:37 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] schools, trinity, australia
Message-ID:
Here is an exciting story.
Trinity drinks deeply at learning's open source
Tuesday 05 June, 2001
By NATHAN COCHRANE
A non-stop flow of students interrupts the interview in the Trinity College
computer lab.
"You can tell it's popular," system administrator and programmer Tim
Bell says of the lab.
Trinity College, at Melbourne University, threw open the doors to
open source in December last year when it discarded its Windows NT
network. Educators and technical staff wanted a better, cheaper way
to teach the 750 overseas students in its Foundation Studies
tertiary bridging course, which introduces Western concepts and
computing skills.
The old PCs were replaced with Hewlett-Packard e-pcs, referred to as
thin clients because they do not not run bulky software on hard disk
drives. They boot up with the Debian Linux Free Software operating
system either off the network or from flash memory cards.
The biggest benefits to educators of open source are cost,
simplicity and flexibility, says Trinity ITT manager Richard Wraith.
The idea to go with a network-centric open source strategy came to
him after spotting Sun Microsystems' Sun Rays at a Canberra
conference last year. He says after initial scepticism, students and
staff have taken to the network with enthusiasm.
"We saw the idea for Sun Rays, although they missed a fundamental
point," says Wraith. "The Sun model means you need a high-capacity
network and powerful servers."
"It needs a gigabit backbone - that's stupid," Bell chimes in. "This
makes sense for Sun because they have these big boxes they want to
sell but ... it didn't make sense for us because our old fibre
backbone will only support 100 Mbps."
Although the lab uses Debian with the GNOME desktop environment,
Trinity was stuck with its Windows 2000 desktop licences. They sit,
unused and unopened, in a cupboard.
After being assured the HP clients would run Linux, "we couldn't get
through to anyone who could give us boxes without Windows," says
Wraith.
By booting from the network, desktop administration is streamlined
as software is deployed from a central server, saving time and cost.
Clients are swapped in and out quickly, and consistent and rigorous
security is maintained. The result is a lower total cost of
ownership, Bell says.
The transition removed the need for Microsoft's Office. Word, Excel
and Powerpoint were replaced with open source equivalents AbiWord,
GNUmeric, and the Photoshop-like GNU Image ManiPulator (GIMP).
Presentation packages are not taught but if they were, KPresenter,
part of the free KOffice suite, would be the likely candidate, says
Wraith.
The team stresses that software selection is not fixed and the easy
availability of open source applications means the curriculum can
quickly change tack.
"We're educating, not training," Bell says. "The argument we're
talking about here is: `You have to teach Microsoft Word'.
"Why are you teaching people Hamlet? They won't use it in the real
world. You can take that argument and put it in another area and
it's nonsensical. So why do people insist on using it in
computing?," Wraith says.
"We do teach them word processing and spreadsheets and GIMP," says
Linux guru and computing lecturer Mike Williams, "but we're also
teaching the students the concepts behind them." By discovering the
concepts, students are less fearful of computers than they might be
if they were only narrowly trained to use a program, he says.
Williams was brought in by computing lecturer-in-charge Simon
Wilkinson, a self-confessed former "Bill Gates man".
Wilkinson says his transition from complete ignorance of open source
to user and finally evangelist was swift and painless, in part due
to his computer science background.
"The beauty of open source is we could find applications if we
needed to," Wilkinson says. "We can go from one word processor to
the next seamlessly. "We're developing a culture where (students)
are not afraid to try new things, and that was due particularly
because I wasn't scared of anything."
Part of that culture is the free, object-oriented programming
language, Python. It is the first language to gain wide and growing
acceptance since Sun's Java started percolating through businesses
and universities. Python's streamlined syntax is well suited to
education while its object orientation makes it attractive to
commerce.
Dutch mathematician Guido van Rossum invented Python in 1990. It
evolved from a '80s programming teaching language, ABC, which
"subliminally influenced" Python's design, he says. He has lobbied
Trinity to release its course materials so other educators can
benefit.
Code is interpreted so the feedback loop between language and
student is not slowed by compiling. This speeds the learning process
because mistakes are rapidly corrected and good style immediately
reinforced.
"Since early 1999, I've been actively lobbying for the use of Python
as a teaching language," Van Rossum says.
"Before then, I knew that people were teaching Python to beginners
succesfully, but it wasn't something that was particularly on my own
radar."
Python has spread to schools throughout the world. It sports an
active e-mail list and Web-based materials to support its spread
among educators.
Python runs on Windows, UNIX, Linux, DOS, OS/2, Mac, Amiga and
hendhelds such as Palm and WindowsCE. Vancouver software tools
maker, Active State, is porting Python to Microsoft's .NET
initiative.
Python exhibits all the hallmarks of a modern language - modules,
classes, exceptions, very high level dynamic data types, and dynamic
typing - and interfaces to modern windowing systems such as Mac, X11
and Motif. It supports XML for e-commerce and mobile applications.
Integrated development environments are widely used.
The commercial world has seen the benefits, with Infoseek coding
28,000 lines of its UltraSeek Server search engine in Python.
Google, Nortel, ABN Amro, Real Networks, and NASA are among hundreds
of commercial and research users. Animators at Industrial Light and
Magic used Python to code parts of the new Star Wars trilogy. Disney
animators and games designers code multimedia sequences with it.
Van Rossum says Python teaches object-oriented programming without
the intellectual overhead of other learning languages.
"Pascal totally misses the trend of object-oriented programming,
which is essential for building or using today's large systems.
"BlueJ is Java-based, and the main problem I have with Java as a
first language - although it's much better than C++ - is that the
students have to memorise a lot of meaningless details in order to
do the simplest things.
"Every time there's an opportunity to get a weird compilation error
due to a missing or misplaced semicolon, teacher and student time is
wasted finding, explaining and correcting the problem that could be
better spent learning the fundamental concepts of programming and
algorithms."
"We don't have to deal with vendors or licenses. From a management
perspective it's so compelling," says Trinity's Wraith.
"We'd rather have skills in-house and invest money in our own people
rather than other companies' people. If you're tied to a vendor it
takes the control out of your hands."
LINKS
trinity.unimelb.edu.au
www.python.org
www.hp.com/desktops/epc/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 12 14:11:11 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Jayan S R)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:41:11 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
In-Reply-To: <3B1DAFCE.D4B2AA0B@ti.com>
Message-ID:
hi all
while compling XFree86-4 on Debian.
XFree86 complied with no errors, but when i run make install ( this is
where it compiles some of the X programs like xterm etc ) I got few
errors.
1. cannot find lz ( this is the Zlib library. All the libz.so..
are present in /usr/lib but the static lib was missing. oops I did not
install it ok I unpacked the src and built a static lib and copied to
/usr/lib and ran ldconfing. -- that error was fixed!!
2. ncurses was missing ok i managed to get the source compiled and
installd and -- that error too fixed!!
after all the process It is giving one more error which I could not fix.
Too many levels of symlinks aborting
......................
Error make failed...
........
any ideas why this happens? or am I missing something.
regards
--
jsr
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 13 08:32:19 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:02:19 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
References:
Message-ID: <3B272513.443746D9@ti.com>
> while compling XFree86-4 on Debian.
>
> XFree86 complied with no errors, but when i run make install ( this is
> where it compiles some of the X programs like xterm etc ) I got few
> errors.
>
> 1. cannot find lz ( this is the Zlib library. All the libz.so..
> are present in /usr/lib but the static lib was missing. oops I did not
> install it ok I unpacked the src and built a static lib and copied to
> /usr/lib and ran ldconfing. -- that error was fixed!!
> 2. ncurses was missing ok i managed to get the source compiled and
> installd and -- that error too fixed!!
First of all where did you download the sources from? The best thing would be
to download the sources from debian archives itself, as it will have (probably)
debian specific fixes to Makefile and other things added. Also it will download
and install (if you use 'apt-get source packagename') the various dependencies
of the source required to compile.
--
Ramakrishnan M
GPG: 1024D/6A9F3C38 WWW: http://www.symonds.net/~rkrishnan/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 13 08:56:55 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (harshu)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:26:55 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20010613142655.A261@hd2.vsnl.net.in>
hi,
i had faced this problem some time ago. i have attached the suggestions made on the ilughyd. hope that helps. i couldn't test it out as my machine crashed beyond recovery.
regards
harsha
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:41:11PM +0530, Jayan S R wrote:
> while compling XFree86-4 on Debian.
>
>
> Too many levels of symlinks aborting
> ......................
> Error make failed...
> ........
>
> any ideas why this happens? or am I missing something.
>
----------
hi,
i was trying to compile XFree86 4.0.3. the result was this error.
too many levels of sym links. what does this mean and when does this error occur ?
harsha
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/oclock'
installing in programs/proxymngr...
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/proxymngr'
+ install -c -m 0444 PM.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
+ install -c -m 0444 PMproto.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
install -c proxymngr /usr/X11R6/bin/proxymngr
install -c -m 0444 pmconfig /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig
install: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig: Too many levels of symbolic links ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
make[3]: *** [install] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/proxymngr'
make[2]: *** [install] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc'
make: *** [install] Error 2
--- bsd_linux wrote:
> hi,
> i was trying to compile XFree86 4.0.3. the result was this error.
> too many levels of sym links. what does this mean and when does this
> error occur ?
This happens when one of your symlinks is directly or indirectly pointing
to itself.
Example:
>> ln -s file /tmp
>> ls -l /tmp/file
lrwxrwxrwx 1 prakashk prakashk 4 Apr 2 16:40 /tmp/file -> file
>> cat /tmp/file
cat: /tmp/file: Too many levels of symbolic links
>> namei /tmp/file
f: /tmp/file
d /
d tmp
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file *** EXCEEDED UNIX LIMIT OF SYMLINKS ***
As you can see, 'namei' shows where the circular reference is.
/prakash
> harsha
>
>
>
>
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/oclock'
> installing in programs/proxymngr...
> make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/proxymngr'
> + install -c -m 0444 PM.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
> + install -c -m 0444 PMproto.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
> install -c proxymngr /usr/X11R6/bin/proxymngr
> install -c -m 0444 pmconfig /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig
> install: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig: Too many levels of symbolic
> links
> [..snip..]
bsd_linux [Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 12:18:05AM +0530]
> hi,
> i was trying to compile XFree86 4.0.3. the result was this error.
> too many levels of sym links. what does this mean and when does this error occur ?
>
> harsha
>
Looks like Ur installing over an existing installation by using
'make install' Right. If so please rm or mv the existing installations
and then give it a try. I am sure it will work then on.
This problem occured to me when I tried installing xf 4.0.2 over my
3.3.6. And I did the same.
Bye
Raghuram Vijapurapu
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 13 12:03:44 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Jayan S R)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:33:44 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
In-Reply-To: <20010613142655.A261@hd2.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, harshu wrote:
> hi,
> i had faced this problem some time ago. i have attached the suggestions made on the ilughyd. hope that helps. i couldn't test it out as my machine crashed beyond recovery.
>
> regards
> harsha
thanks harshu, it worked. It was because i was doing make install over the
same dir after making corrections to the missing libs.
regards
jsr
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sat Jun 16 11:51:04 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Nitin S)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:21:04 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] fuzzysets
Message-ID: <002401c0f65a$b24db320$c1e8013d@compaq>
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* Nitin Skandan
* Second year
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 18 03:53:00 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Preetham Shimoga)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:23:00 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] fuzzysets
References: <002401c0f65a$b24db320$c1e8013d@compaq>
Message-ID: <3B2D7B1C.9B8452ED@wipro.com>
hi,
i dont know how my name got attached to this club, can anyone take out
my name from this mailing list
thanks
Preetham
Nitin S wrote:
> Is there anybody here who has idea of genetic algorithms and fuzzy
> logic ______________________________________________________________________________ "
> One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.
> No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man " * Nitin
> Skandan
> * Second year
> * M tech Control systems
> * College of engineering
> * Trivandrum
> * Kerala 691021 * Ph no: 91-474 740259
> ________________________________________
> _____________________________________
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 18 03:45:46 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (R Sreekumar)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:15:46 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] fuzzysets
References: <002401c0f65a$b24db320$c1e8013d@compaq>
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Sreekumar
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 19 15:50:54 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (fsf-india@gnu.org.in)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:20:54 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Software
Message-ID: <005401c0f8d9$2511f760$1871c5cb@corp>
Hi -
I need to prepare a network for a construction firm for the sections:
* General Accounts
* Cash
* Registration certificates offered to their associates
* Building plans and
* Service file of their employees.
It's mandatory to have GUI as the building plans would be scanned copies of
the original sanctioned building plans. I think MySQL should be a good for
the database part but can the building plans thing, be incorporated in that
too ? And, what software would you people recommend, if we have something in
open source, that would suffice these for me.
Also would it be possible to implement something like, a main server
connected with the terminals on a LAN or it would be mandatory to keep every
machine with hard disk support.
I'm basically a novice and this is sort of a project work for me. Any and
all suggestions would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks!
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 19 18:25:54 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Raju Mathur)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:55:54 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS' visit to Delhi
Message-ID: <15151.39218.304826.244781@mail.linux-delhi.org>
Hi,
Any updates on when RMS is likely to be in Delhi and if anything is
fixed up? We'd like to plan given the itinerary.
Regards,
-- Raju
--
Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 19 18:27:03 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Raju Mathur)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:57:03 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Software
In-Reply-To: <005401c0f8d9$2511f760$1871c5cb@corp>
References: <005401c0f8d9$2511f760$1871c5cb@corp>
Message-ID: <15151.39287.786087.648274@mail.linux-delhi.org>
You can use GNUCash as the base for building on.
http://www.gnucash.org/
Regards,
-- Raju
>>>>> "charmie" == charmie writes:
charmie> Hi - I need to prepare a network for a construction firm
charmie> for the sections:
charmie> * General Accounts * Cash * Registration certificates
charmie> offered to their associates * Building plans and *
charmie> Service file of their employees.
--
Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 20 10:19:58 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (titty jacob)
Date: 20 Jun 2001 04:19:58 MDT
Subject: [[FSF-India] Software]
Message-ID: <20010620101958.15406.qmail@nwcst281.netaddress.usa.net>
charmie@caltiger.com wrote:
>Also would it be possible to implement something like, a main server
>connected with the terminals on a LAN or it would be mandatory to keep >every
machine with hard disk support.
Link to the site www.ltsp.org for remote booting Diskless Workstations over a
network.
Lv. Tt
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 21 04:47:58 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:17:58 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] what constitutes your GNU/Linux?
Message-ID: <3B317C7E.83D939B8@ti.com>
A detailed analysis of RH7.1 distro about the various constituents, and their
licences... As expected GPL remains at number one...
http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/redhat71sloc.html
--
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sun Jun 24 05:35:37 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Denish Makadia)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:05:37 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Freedom First - Activities.
Message-ID: <001601c0fc6f$855b5aa0$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Hello all,
Doesn't hear much about Conference on the list.
Is everything arranged by few at Trivandrum? or its dealt with offlist?
Would like to know about Participants to be present.
denish
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 25 05:34:25 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:04:25 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Freedom First - Activities.
In-Reply-To: <001601c0fc6f$855b5aa0$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Message-ID:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 at 11:05, Denish Makadia wrote:
Doesn't hear much about Conference on the list.
In the first place there is enough time of three weeks left now for
the event. And the tentative dates of the program are available on
the web site.
Secondly, the working group convened on the last weekend to finalize
dates and logistics. It's only Monday morning now, the authorized
persons have to draft it and release to the main list. After all,
FSF India do not enjoy the luxury of an office with supporting
staff, so all things are at the mercy of time and efforts of the
volunteers. As you can imagine, volunteers have pressures at their
work especially in the beginning of a week.
Be patient, the details will appear very very soon.
Is everything arranged by few at Trivandrum? or its dealt with
What a few at Trivandrum can accomplish without the help and support
of you people? I'm afraid the question ebbs from misapprehensions
which is unwarranted in the light of what we have done so far.
offlist? Would like to know about Participants to be present.
I would respectfully disagree with this demand, it relates to the
privacy of other persons. Are we authorized to reveal the names of
the participants? The list has to decide.
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 03:02:11 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:32:11 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Half God, Half Dirty GNU Hippy
Message-ID: <3B37FB33.D3DCDC78@ti.com>
This is about Richard M Stallman
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/6/24/235140/350
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 25 04:53:11 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Rajkumar S.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:23:11 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] MS provides GPLd software
Message-ID:
Hi,
For all the MS ranting about GPL, they infact provide software under
GPL and the source is available in a microsoft.com address.
After all, All we said that GPL is not good for YOUR business not ours
:)
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/developr/interix/
make sure to read gpl.txt in this directory.
This is the main page
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows2000/interix/
raj
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sun Jun 24 09:50:23 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Rajkumar S.)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:20:23 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
Message-ID:
Hi,
I am not getting the slashdot and freshmeat for the past 2 days. The
ip is not even pinging. Does any one experience the same problems?
raj
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 05:46:28 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Tirthankar C.P)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:46:28 +0500 (GMT+0500)
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rajkumar S. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not getting the slashdot and freshmeat for the past 2 days. The
> ip is not even pinging. Does any one experience the same problems?
>
Freshmeat is fine. No problems there.
-tir
> raj
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 06:36:17 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Denish Makadia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:06:17 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] [LONG] Freedom First - Activities.
References:
Message-ID: <00e001c0fe0d$05666340$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Hello,
Sorry for being impatient and shooting a mail with questions only, instead
of offering some help.and Thanks for taking all the pain.
I feel that i am misunderstood, and would like to clear contentions of my
previous mail.For more clarity, few lines about me.
I am not connected with Computer Profession, and attracted to FSF
purely by the Philosophy it ( would have used WE) holds, and quite exited
to meet the people in person who leave by that philosopy and unselfish
motives.
Moreover I would be attending first Conference in *Computers * field, at
which I am a novice.{I am an Engineer in Plastics and work as a Works
Manager with some organisation in Baroda. }
----- Original Message -----
From: Radhakrishnan CV
> Doesn't hear much about Conference on the list.
I am having the knowledge about FSF-I limited around the website and this
list,
(doesn't have any idea about how can I help, so anticipated that if
anything )
> In the first place there is enough time of three weeks left now for
> the event. And the tentative dates of the program are available on
> the web site.
>
> Secondly, the working group convened on the last weekend to finalize
> dates and logistics. It's only Monday morning now, the authorized
> persons have to draft it and release to the main list. After all,
> FSF India do not enjoy the luxury of an office with supporting
> staff, so all things are at the mercy of time and efforts of the
> volunteers. As you can imagine, volunteers have pressures at their
> work especially in the beginning of a week.
>
> Be patient, the details will appear very very soon.
Will not be impatient, (I now think I had been impatient in process of
Registration also), but now you might have got the idea of my eagerness,
and again beg your pardon for spoiling The fine Monday Morning.
> Is everything arranged by few at Trivandrum? or its dealt with
>
> What a few at Trivandrum can accomplish without the help and support
I fully agree, and extend my support at anything i would be able to do, and
can detail more of my capabilities offlist if required.
But my contention was :
Are all the Arrangements left to them only, without any helping hands ?or
People are helping them but the discussions are offlist/ in person.
> of you people? I'm afraid the question ebbs from misapprehensions
> which is unwarranted in the light of what we have done so far.
I have a little idea about it since my lurking around FD.net and FD india.
(hope i am there in Archives :)
and I highly appriciate the efforts put by all of them who had made this to
happen in India, and I always wish to be a part of it if time permits.
> offlist? Would like to know about Participants to be present.
>
> I would respectfully disagree with this demand, it relates to the
> privacy of other persons. Are we authorized to reveal the names of
> the participants? The list has to decide.
>
I didn't intended to break the privacy of anyone, but i was eager to know
more about people I am going to see, and if it was a unfair, I dont have to
ask anything about it.
OTOH I request those prticipants to give me their contacts offlist, if they
can help this newcomer to understand this field when i am there at Tutorials
and Conference....
Hope that I had cleared the things, and would be allowed to know the things
at depth ( to the extent i am found to be fit.)
Thanking Again.
Denish Makadia
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 07:29:26 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:59:26 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] [LONG] Freedom First - Activities.
In-Reply-To: <00e001c0fe0d$05666340$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 at 12:06, Denish Makadia wrote:
Sorry for being impatient and shooting a mail with questions
only, instead of offering some help.and Thanks for taking all
the pain.
No problems, it is all part of any such efforts.
I am not connected with Computer Profession, and attracted to
FSF purely by the Philosophy it ( would have used WE) holds,
Excellent. We need people like you to come forward to take the
message to the people.
and quite exited to meet the people in person who leave by
that philosopy and unselfish motives. Moreover I would be
attending first Conference in *Computers * field, at which I
am a novice.{I am an Engineer in Plastics and work as a Works
Manager with some organisation in Baroda. }
It is the user community that we value much and indeed they are the
starting point of any change that Free Software can bring forth.
I am having the knowledge about FSF-I limited around the
website and this list, (doesn't have any idea about how can I
help, so anticipated that if anything )
You can help if you come a little earlier to the event, because we
need volunteers to do a variety of things. You can choose any type
of work that is fit for your mood, attitudes, abilities and so
on and it will be all the more fun and exciting for all of us.
> Be patient, the details will appear very very soon.
Will not be impatient, (I now think I had been impatient in
process of Registration also), but now you might have got the
idea of my eagerness, and again beg your pardon for spoiling
The fine Monday Morning.
Dont be apologetic, we are all in the same boat and are eager to see
things move fast. Within two days (possibly today itself) you will
hear announcements about the details of topics and resource persons
of the pre-conference tutorial.
But my contention was : Are all the Arrangements left to them
only, without any helping hands ?or People are helping them
but the discussions are offlist/ in person.
When an event is scheduled to happen at a particular geographical
location, naturally those available around can only help in the
logistics of the event at least in the initial period. Of course,
those from other parts of the country can do help during the event
which is always welcome from anyone.
I didn't intended to break the privacy of anyone, but i was
eager to know more about people I am going to see, and if it
was a unfair, I dont have to ask anything about it.
I was sure about your pristine intentions, but sadly everyone cant
be expected to agree with your request.
OTOH I request those prticipants to give me their contacts
offlist,
That would be fine. Also by around 5th July, we will create another
list for participants to inform them programs, announcements and to
answer if the partipants have any querries.
if they can help this newcomer to understand this
field when i am there at Tutorials and Conference....
Dont worry, most of the tutorial presentations will be made
available well in advance and the URLs will be sent to you, so that
you will be familiar with the topics/issues that are being covered
in the tutorial.
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 09:09:16 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Vinay George)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:09:16 +0400
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
References:
Message-ID: <002e01c0fe1f$ae8aff00$c488a9ca@arackal.co.in>
Hi
I getting both slashdot and freshmeat.................
Vinay
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 11:56:46 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Suraj Kumar S.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:26:46 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
In-Reply-To: ; from raj@gnu.org.in on Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 03:20:23PM +0530
References:
Message-ID: <20010626172646.A21642@in.inapp.com>
raj, it was some local routing problem of asianet.
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 03:20:23PM +0530, Rajkumar S. wrote:
> I am not getting the slashdot and freshmeat for the past 2 days. The
> ip is not even pinging. Does any one experience the same problems?
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 13:16:55 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Rajkumar S.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:46:55 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
In-Reply-To: <20010626172646.A21642@in.inapp.com>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Suraj Kumar S. wrote:
> raj, it was some local routing problem of asianet.
No. The main Andover.net router melted, taking /. fm and others off.
That was the reason. I posted the mail on sunday, due to some problem
it only turned up today.
raj
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 28 08:15:30 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Amitabh Trehan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS' visit to Delhi
In-Reply-To: <15151.39218.304826.244781@mail.linux-delhi.org>
Message-ID: <20010628081530.17787.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com>
I've been hearing here(Delhi) that Stallman is likely
to visit IIT delhi. Is that true?
Amitabh
--- Raju Mathur wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Any updates on when RMS is likely to be in Delhi and
> if anything is
> fixed up? We'd like to plan given the itinerary.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Raju
> --
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 28 09:22:09 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Loic Dachary)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:22:09 +0200
Subject: [FSF-India] FSF France activity report
Message-ID: <15162.63297.795588.239607@dachary.org>
Hi,
I'd like to share with you our activity report. You will find more
information about our activities in France at
http://france.fsfeurope.org/index.en.html. You will also see links to
GNU or FSF reprensentations world wide in the top right menu bar,
including FSF India ;-)
Take care,
----- http://france.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-05-20-01.en.html
FSF France activity report
The [1]FSF Europe presence in France started its activity on April
12, a little more than a month ago. We worked hard to launch the
core activities that will allow us to implement the goals of the
[2]FSF and the [3]FSF Europe : provide Free Software for everything
and everyone and protect its existence when it is threatened.
Building the [4]administrative and [5]informational infrastructure
came first. It's an endless task but we had to create something to
begin with: a [6]machine located in France that is integrated to
the [7]GNU project and a [8]French non profit organization.
Then it was necessary to establish working relationships with the
French association acting since years for the Free Software
movement in France: [9]APRIL. Cooperation between organizations
requires some amount of magic. After two [10]brainstormings, an
[11]exhibition, a [12]fiesta and many GNU project related
activities the magic apparently worked. [13]APRIL members feel they
belong to [14]the french chapter of FSF Europe (FSF France) and
[15]FSF France members feel they belong to [16]APRIL. A French
association dedicated to Free Software in education ([17]OFSET)
recently united to [18]FSF Europe and we expect the same symbiosis
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 28 09:22:09 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Loic Dachary)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:22:09 +0200
Subject: [FSF-India] FSF France activity report
Message-ID: <15162.63297.795588.239607@dachary.org>
Hi,
I'd like to share with you our activity report. You will find more
information about our activities in France at
http://france.fsfeurope.org/index.en.html. You will also see links to
GNU or FSF reprensentations world wide in the top right menu bar,
including FSF India ;-)
Take care,
----- http://france.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-05-20-01.en.html
FSF France activity report
The [1]FSF Europe presence in France started its activity on April
12, a little more than a month ago. We worked hard to launch the
core activities that will allow us to implement the goals of the
[2]FSF and the [3]FSF Europe : provide Free Software for everything
and everyone and protect its existence when it is threatened.
Building the [4]administrative and [5]informational infrastructure
came first. It's an endless task but we had to create something to
begin with: a [6]machine located in France that is integrated to
the [7]GNU project and a [8]French non profit organization.
Then it was necessary to establish working relationships with the
French association acting since years for the Free Software
movement in France: [9]APRIL. Cooperation between organizations
requires some amount of magic. After two [10]brainstormings, an
[11]exhibition, a [12]fiesta and many GNU project related
activities the magic apparently worked. [13]APRIL members feel they
belong to [14]the french chapter of FSF Europe (FSF France) and
[15]FSF France members feel they belong to [16]APRIL. A French
association dedicated to Free Software in education ([17]OFSET)
recently united to [18]FSF Europe and we expect the same symbiosis
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Fri Jun 1 14:26:52 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Nitin S)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:56:52 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] microcontroller
Message-ID: <011501c0eaa8$12bc27a0$a6e8013d@compaq>
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regards nitin
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Fri Jun 1 17:26:59 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Anil Kumar)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [FSF-India] microcontroller
In-Reply-To: <011501c0eaa8$12bc27a0$a6e8013d@compaq>
Message-ID:
did you try VSSC library?
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Nitin S wrote:
> I am looking for a seminar baseed on application of 80C51 microcontrollers in
> missiles and space vehicle control. But even after trying hard i cudnt find any reference about it. can any body help me. with some idea.
>
> regards nitin
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
> " One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.
> No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man "
>
> * Nitin Skandan
> * Second year
> * M tech Control systems
> * College of engineering
> * Trivandrum
> * Kerala 691021
>
> * Ph no: 91-474 740259
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
--
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sat Jun 2 18:15:43 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Nitin S)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 23:45:43 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] microcontroller
References:
Message-ID: <005301c0eb90$0adabfe0$7898c5cb@compaq>
tryingg
but it would have been nice if theres somebody working in that area
----- Original Message -----
From: Anil Kumar
To:
Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FSF-India] microcontroller
>
> did you try VSSC library?
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Nitin S wrote:
>
> > I am looking for a seminar baseed on application of 80C51
microcontrollers in
> > missiles and space vehicle control. But even after trying hard i cudnt
find any reference about it. can any body help me. with some idea.
> >
> > regards nitin
> >
____________________________________________________________________________
__
> >
> > " One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.
> > No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man "
> >
> > * Nitin Skandan
> > * Second year
> > * M tech Control systems
> > * College of engineering
> > * Trivandrum
> > * Kerala 691021
> >
> > * Ph no: 91-474 740259
> >
____________________________________________________________________________
__
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
>
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sun Jun 3 11:32:05 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Satyakam Goswami)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:02:05 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS itenary
In-Reply-To: <005301c0eb90$0adabfe0$7898c5cb@compaq>
References: <005301c0eb90$0adabfe0$7898c5cb@compaq>
Message-ID: <1364.192.168.0.1.991567925.squirrel@mail.archeanit.net>
Hello,
What is the iteinary of Mr Stallman, can anyone brief us on that.
especially where all he will be visiting apart from Kerala.
S.Goswami
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 4 07:36:27 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:06:27 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS itenary
In-Reply-To: <1364.192.168.0.1.991567925.squirrel@mail.archeanit.net>
Message-ID:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 at 17:02, Satyakam Goswami wrote:
What is the iteinary of Mr Stallman, can anyone brief us on
that. especially where all he will be visiting apart from
Kerala.
17 July 2001 -- Bombay -- arrival
17 July 2001 -- talk at the Homi Babha Hall (TIFR)
18 July 2001 -- Trivandrum -- arrival
20 July 2001 -- Inauguration of FSF India
21 July 2001 -- talks to the students (foornoon)
College of Engineering, Trivandrum
session with Technopark community (afternoon)
24 July 2001 -- talk at the Model Engineering College, Kochi
24 July 2001 -- departure to Baroda (we dont have any idea of
(evening) RMS' Baroda program)
3/4 Aug 2001 -- talk at the IIT, Delhi
4/5 Aug 2001 -- Fly out of India
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 4 08:04:23 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:34:23 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS' talk at New York Univ.
Message-ID:
If you are interested to read Richard Stallman's talk at the New
York University on 29 May 2001, please visit our `what's new' page,
the pointers for downloading the document in pdf format and TeX
sources are available there:
http://gnu.org.in/news/whatsnew.html
The document is 24p long, 290 KB file size and source file size is
110 KB.
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 6 04:21:34 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 09:51:34 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Interview
Message-ID: <3B1DAFCE.D4B2AA0B@ti.com>
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/05/122240&mode=thread
Anyone who is interested in legal aspects of Free Software *must* read this
interview.
--
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Fri Jun 8 19:37:37 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:07:37 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] schools, trinity, australia
Message-ID:
Here is an exciting story.
Trinity drinks deeply at learning's open source
Tuesday 05 June, 2001
By NATHAN COCHRANE
A non-stop flow of students interrupts the interview in the Trinity College
computer lab.
"You can tell it's popular," system administrator and programmer Tim
Bell says of the lab.
Trinity College, at Melbourne University, threw open the doors to
open source in December last year when it discarded its Windows NT
network. Educators and technical staff wanted a better, cheaper way
to teach the 750 overseas students in its Foundation Studies
tertiary bridging course, which introduces Western concepts and
computing skills.
The old PCs were replaced with Hewlett-Packard e-pcs, referred to as
thin clients because they do not not run bulky software on hard disk
drives. They boot up with the Debian Linux Free Software operating
system either off the network or from flash memory cards.
The biggest benefits to educators of open source are cost,
simplicity and flexibility, says Trinity ITT manager Richard Wraith.
The idea to go with a network-centric open source strategy came to
him after spotting Sun Microsystems' Sun Rays at a Canberra
conference last year. He says after initial scepticism, students and
staff have taken to the network with enthusiasm.
"We saw the idea for Sun Rays, although they missed a fundamental
point," says Wraith. "The Sun model means you need a high-capacity
network and powerful servers."
"It needs a gigabit backbone - that's stupid," Bell chimes in. "This
makes sense for Sun because they have these big boxes they want to
sell but ... it didn't make sense for us because our old fibre
backbone will only support 100 Mbps."
Although the lab uses Debian with the GNOME desktop environment,
Trinity was stuck with its Windows 2000 desktop licences. They sit,
unused and unopened, in a cupboard.
After being assured the HP clients would run Linux, "we couldn't get
through to anyone who could give us boxes without Windows," says
Wraith.
By booting from the network, desktop administration is streamlined
as software is deployed from a central server, saving time and cost.
Clients are swapped in and out quickly, and consistent and rigorous
security is maintained. The result is a lower total cost of
ownership, Bell says.
The transition removed the need for Microsoft's Office. Word, Excel
and Powerpoint were replaced with open source equivalents AbiWord,
GNUmeric, and the Photoshop-like GNU Image ManiPulator (GIMP).
Presentation packages are not taught but if they were, KPresenter,
part of the free KOffice suite, would be the likely candidate, says
Wraith.
The team stresses that software selection is not fixed and the easy
availability of open source applications means the curriculum can
quickly change tack.
"We're educating, not training," Bell says. "The argument we're
talking about here is: `You have to teach Microsoft Word'.
"Why are you teaching people Hamlet? They won't use it in the real
world. You can take that argument and put it in another area and
it's nonsensical. So why do people insist on using it in
computing?," Wraith says.
"We do teach them word processing and spreadsheets and GIMP," says
Linux guru and computing lecturer Mike Williams, "but we're also
teaching the students the concepts behind them." By discovering the
concepts, students are less fearful of computers than they might be
if they were only narrowly trained to use a program, he says.
Williams was brought in by computing lecturer-in-charge Simon
Wilkinson, a self-confessed former "Bill Gates man".
Wilkinson says his transition from complete ignorance of open source
to user and finally evangelist was swift and painless, in part due
to his computer science background.
"The beauty of open source is we could find applications if we
needed to," Wilkinson says. "We can go from one word processor to
the next seamlessly. "We're developing a culture where (students)
are not afraid to try new things, and that was due particularly
because I wasn't scared of anything."
Part of that culture is the free, object-oriented programming
language, Python. It is the first language to gain wide and growing
acceptance since Sun's Java started percolating through businesses
and universities. Python's streamlined syntax is well suited to
education while its object orientation makes it attractive to
commerce.
Dutch mathematician Guido van Rossum invented Python in 1990. It
evolved from a '80s programming teaching language, ABC, which
"subliminally influenced" Python's design, he says. He has lobbied
Trinity to release its course materials so other educators can
benefit.
Code is interpreted so the feedback loop between language and
student is not slowed by compiling. This speeds the learning process
because mistakes are rapidly corrected and good style immediately
reinforced.
"Since early 1999, I've been actively lobbying for the use of Python
as a teaching language," Van Rossum says.
"Before then, I knew that people were teaching Python to beginners
succesfully, but it wasn't something that was particularly on my own
radar."
Python has spread to schools throughout the world. It sports an
active e-mail list and Web-based materials to support its spread
among educators.
Python runs on Windows, UNIX, Linux, DOS, OS/2, Mac, Amiga and
hendhelds such as Palm and WindowsCE. Vancouver software tools
maker, Active State, is porting Python to Microsoft's .NET
initiative.
Python exhibits all the hallmarks of a modern language - modules,
classes, exceptions, very high level dynamic data types, and dynamic
typing - and interfaces to modern windowing systems such as Mac, X11
and Motif. It supports XML for e-commerce and mobile applications.
Integrated development environments are widely used.
The commercial world has seen the benefits, with Infoseek coding
28,000 lines of its UltraSeek Server search engine in Python.
Google, Nortel, ABN Amro, Real Networks, and NASA are among hundreds
of commercial and research users. Animators at Industrial Light and
Magic used Python to code parts of the new Star Wars trilogy. Disney
animators and games designers code multimedia sequences with it.
Van Rossum says Python teaches object-oriented programming without
the intellectual overhead of other learning languages.
"Pascal totally misses the trend of object-oriented programming,
which is essential for building or using today's large systems.
"BlueJ is Java-based, and the main problem I have with Java as a
first language - although it's much better than C++ - is that the
students have to memorise a lot of meaningless details in order to
do the simplest things.
"Every time there's an opportunity to get a weird compilation error
due to a missing or misplaced semicolon, teacher and student time is
wasted finding, explaining and correcting the problem that could be
better spent learning the fundamental concepts of programming and
algorithms."
"We don't have to deal with vendors or licenses. From a management
perspective it's so compelling," says Trinity's Wraith.
"We'd rather have skills in-house and invest money in our own people
rather than other companies' people. If you're tied to a vendor it
takes the control out of your hands."
LINKS
trinity.unimelb.edu.au
www.python.org
www.hp.com/desktops/epc/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 12 14:11:11 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Jayan S R)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:41:11 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
In-Reply-To: <3B1DAFCE.D4B2AA0B@ti.com>
Message-ID:
hi all
while compling XFree86-4 on Debian.
XFree86 complied with no errors, but when i run make install ( this is
where it compiles some of the X programs like xterm etc ) I got few
errors.
1. cannot find lz ( this is the Zlib library. All the libz.so..
are present in /usr/lib but the static lib was missing. oops I did not
install it ok I unpacked the src and built a static lib and copied to
/usr/lib and ran ldconfing. -- that error was fixed!!
2. ncurses was missing ok i managed to get the source compiled and
installd and -- that error too fixed!!
after all the process It is giving one more error which I could not fix.
Too many levels of symlinks aborting
......................
Error make failed...
........
any ideas why this happens? or am I missing something.
regards
--
jsr
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 13 08:32:19 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:02:19 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
References:
Message-ID: <3B272513.443746D9@ti.com>
> while compling XFree86-4 on Debian.
>
> XFree86 complied with no errors, but when i run make install ( this is
> where it compiles some of the X programs like xterm etc ) I got few
> errors.
>
> 1. cannot find lz ( this is the Zlib library. All the libz.so..
> are present in /usr/lib but the static lib was missing. oops I did not
> install it ok I unpacked the src and built a static lib and copied to
> /usr/lib and ran ldconfing. -- that error was fixed!!
> 2. ncurses was missing ok i managed to get the source compiled and
> installd and -- that error too fixed!!
First of all where did you download the sources from? The best thing would be
to download the sources from debian archives itself, as it will have (probably)
debian specific fixes to Makefile and other things added. Also it will download
and install (if you use 'apt-get source packagename') the various dependencies
of the source required to compile.
--
Ramakrishnan M
GPG: 1024D/6A9F3C38 WWW: http://www.symonds.net/~rkrishnan/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 13 08:56:55 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (harshu)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:26:55 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20010613142655.A261@hd2.vsnl.net.in>
hi,
i had faced this problem some time ago. i have attached the suggestions made on the ilughyd. hope that helps. i couldn't test it out as my machine crashed beyond recovery.
regards
harsha
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:41:11PM +0530, Jayan S R wrote:
> while compling XFree86-4 on Debian.
>
>
> Too many levels of symlinks aborting
> ......................
> Error make failed...
> ........
>
> any ideas why this happens? or am I missing something.
>
----------
hi,
i was trying to compile XFree86 4.0.3. the result was this error.
too many levels of sym links. what does this mean and when does this error occur ?
harsha
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/oclock'
installing in programs/proxymngr...
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/proxymngr'
+ install -c -m 0444 PM.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
+ install -c -m 0444 PMproto.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
install -c proxymngr /usr/X11R6/bin/proxymngr
install -c -m 0444 pmconfig /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig
install: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig: Too many levels of symbolic links ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
make[3]: *** [install] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/proxymngr'
make[2]: *** [install] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs'
make[1]: *** [install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc'
make: *** [install] Error 2
--- bsd_linux wrote:
> hi,
> i was trying to compile XFree86 4.0.3. the result was this error.
> too many levels of sym links. what does this mean and when does this
> error occur ?
This happens when one of your symlinks is directly or indirectly pointing
to itself.
Example:
>> ln -s file /tmp
>> ls -l /tmp/file
lrwxrwxrwx 1 prakashk prakashk 4 Apr 2 16:40 /tmp/file -> file
>> cat /tmp/file
cat: /tmp/file: Too many levels of symbolic links
>> namei /tmp/file
f: /tmp/file
d /
d tmp
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file
l file -> file *** EXCEEDED UNIX LIMIT OF SYMLINKS ***
As you can see, 'namei' shows where the circular reference is.
/prakash
> harsha
>
>
>
>
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/oclock'
> installing in programs/proxymngr...
> make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/work/xc/programs/proxymngr'
> + install -c -m 0444 PM.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
> + install -c -m 0444 PMproto.h /usr/X11R6/include/X11/PM
> install -c proxymngr /usr/X11R6/bin/proxymngr
> install -c -m 0444 pmconfig /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig
> install: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr/pmconfig: Too many levels of symbolic
> links
> [..snip..]
bsd_linux [Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 12:18:05AM +0530]
> hi,
> i was trying to compile XFree86 4.0.3. the result was this error.
> too many levels of sym links. what does this mean and when does this error occur ?
>
> harsha
>
Looks like Ur installing over an existing installation by using
'make install' Right. If so please rm or mv the existing installations
and then give it a try. I am sure it will work then on.
This problem occured to me when I tried installing xf 4.0.2 over my
3.3.6. And I did the same.
Bye
Raghuram Vijapurapu
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 13 12:03:44 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Jayan S R)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:33:44 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] compiling XFree86-4 in debian
In-Reply-To: <20010613142655.A261@hd2.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, harshu wrote:
> hi,
> i had faced this problem some time ago. i have attached the suggestions made on the ilughyd. hope that helps. i couldn't test it out as my machine crashed beyond recovery.
>
> regards
> harsha
thanks harshu, it worked. It was because i was doing make install over the
same dir after making corrections to the missing libs.
regards
jsr
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sat Jun 16 11:51:04 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Nitin S)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:21:04 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] fuzzysets
Message-ID: <002401c0f65a$b24db320$c1e8013d@compaq>
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* Second year
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* Trivandrum
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 18 03:53:00 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Preetham Shimoga)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:23:00 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] fuzzysets
References: <002401c0f65a$b24db320$c1e8013d@compaq>
Message-ID: <3B2D7B1C.9B8452ED@wipro.com>
hi,
i dont know how my name got attached to this club, can anyone take out
my name from this mailing list
thanks
Preetham
Nitin S wrote:
> Is there anybody here who has idea of genetic algorithms and fuzzy
> logic ______________________________________________________________________________ "
> One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men.
> No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man " * Nitin
> Skandan
> * Second year
> * M tech Control systems
> * College of engineering
> * Trivandrum
> * Kerala 691021 * Ph no: 91-474 740259
> ________________________________________
> _____________________________________
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 18 03:45:46 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (R Sreekumar)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:15:46 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] fuzzysets
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Sreekumar
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 19 15:50:54 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (fsf-india@gnu.org.in)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:20:54 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Software
Message-ID: <005401c0f8d9$2511f760$1871c5cb@corp>
Hi -
I need to prepare a network for a construction firm for the sections:
* General Accounts
* Cash
* Registration certificates offered to their associates
* Building plans and
* Service file of their employees.
It's mandatory to have GUI as the building plans would be scanned copies of
the original sanctioned building plans. I think MySQL should be a good for
the database part but can the building plans thing, be incorporated in that
too ? And, what software would you people recommend, if we have something in
open source, that would suffice these for me.
Also would it be possible to implement something like, a main server
connected with the terminals on a LAN or it would be mandatory to keep every
machine with hard disk support.
I'm basically a novice and this is sort of a project work for me. Any and
all suggestions would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks!
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 19 18:25:54 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Raju Mathur)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:55:54 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS' visit to Delhi
Message-ID: <15151.39218.304826.244781@mail.linux-delhi.org>
Hi,
Any updates on when RMS is likely to be in Delhi and if anything is
fixed up? We'd like to plan given the itinerary.
Regards,
-- Raju
--
Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 19 18:27:03 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Raju Mathur)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:57:03 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Software
In-Reply-To: <005401c0f8d9$2511f760$1871c5cb@corp>
References: <005401c0f8d9$2511f760$1871c5cb@corp>
Message-ID: <15151.39287.786087.648274@mail.linux-delhi.org>
You can use GNUCash as the base for building on.
http://www.gnucash.org/
Regards,
-- Raju
>>>>> "charmie" == charmie writes:
charmie> Hi - I need to prepare a network for a construction firm
charmie> for the sections:
charmie> * General Accounts * Cash * Registration certificates
charmie> offered to their associates * Building plans and *
charmie> Service file of their employees.
--
Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Wed Jun 20 10:19:58 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (titty jacob)
Date: 20 Jun 2001 04:19:58 MDT
Subject: [[FSF-India] Software]
Message-ID: <20010620101958.15406.qmail@nwcst281.netaddress.usa.net>
charmie@caltiger.com wrote:
>Also would it be possible to implement something like, a main server
>connected with the terminals on a LAN or it would be mandatory to keep >every
machine with hard disk support.
Link to the site www.ltsp.org for remote booting Diskless Workstations over a
network.
Lv. Tt
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 21 04:47:58 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:17:58 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] what constitutes your GNU/Linux?
Message-ID: <3B317C7E.83D939B8@ti.com>
A detailed analysis of RH7.1 distro about the various constituents, and their
licences... As expected GPL remains at number one...
http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/redhat71sloc.html
--
Ramakrishnan M
GPG: 1024D/6A9F3C38 WWW: http://www.symonds.net/~rkrishnan/
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sun Jun 24 05:35:37 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Denish Makadia)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:05:37 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Freedom First - Activities.
Message-ID: <001601c0fc6f$855b5aa0$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Hello all,
Doesn't hear much about Conference on the list.
Is everything arranged by few at Trivandrum? or its dealt with offlist?
Would like to know about Participants to be present.
denish
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 25 05:34:25 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:04:25 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Freedom First - Activities.
In-Reply-To: <001601c0fc6f$855b5aa0$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Message-ID:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 at 11:05, Denish Makadia wrote:
Doesn't hear much about Conference on the list.
In the first place there is enough time of three weeks left now for
the event. And the tentative dates of the program are available on
the web site.
Secondly, the working group convened on the last weekend to finalize
dates and logistics. It's only Monday morning now, the authorized
persons have to draft it and release to the main list. After all,
FSF India do not enjoy the luxury of an office with supporting
staff, so all things are at the mercy of time and efforts of the
volunteers. As you can imagine, volunteers have pressures at their
work especially in the beginning of a week.
Be patient, the details will appear very very soon.
Is everything arranged by few at Trivandrum? or its dealt with
What a few at Trivandrum can accomplish without the help and support
of you people? I'm afraid the question ebbs from misapprehensions
which is unwarranted in the light of what we have done so far.
offlist? Would like to know about Participants to be present.
I would respectfully disagree with this demand, it relates to the
privacy of other persons. Are we authorized to reveal the names of
the participants? The list has to decide.
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 03:02:11 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Ramakrishnan M)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:32:11 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Half God, Half Dirty GNU Hippy
Message-ID: <3B37FB33.D3DCDC78@ti.com>
This is about Richard M Stallman
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/6/24/235140/350
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Mon Jun 25 04:53:11 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Rajkumar S.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:23:11 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] MS provides GPLd software
Message-ID:
Hi,
For all the MS ranting about GPL, they infact provide software under
GPL and the source is available in a microsoft.com address.
After all, All we said that GPL is not good for YOUR business not ours
:)
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/developr/interix/
make sure to read gpl.txt in this directory.
This is the main page
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows2000/interix/
raj
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Sun Jun 24 09:50:23 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Rajkumar S.)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:20:23 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
Message-ID:
Hi,
I am not getting the slashdot and freshmeat for the past 2 days. The
ip is not even pinging. Does any one experience the same problems?
raj
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 05:46:28 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Tirthankar C.P)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:46:28 +0500 (GMT+0500)
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rajkumar S. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not getting the slashdot and freshmeat for the past 2 days. The
> ip is not even pinging. Does any one experience the same problems?
>
Freshmeat is fine. No problems there.
-tir
> raj
>
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 06:36:17 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Denish Makadia)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:06:17 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] [LONG] Freedom First - Activities.
References:
Message-ID: <00e001c0fe0d$05666340$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Hello,
Sorry for being impatient and shooting a mail with questions only, instead
of offering some help.and Thanks for taking all the pain.
I feel that i am misunderstood, and would like to clear contentions of my
previous mail.For more clarity, few lines about me.
I am not connected with Computer Profession, and attracted to FSF
purely by the Philosophy it ( would have used WE) holds, and quite exited
to meet the people in person who leave by that philosopy and unselfish
motives.
Moreover I would be attending first Conference in *Computers * field, at
which I am a novice.{I am an Engineer in Plastics and work as a Works
Manager with some organisation in Baroda. }
----- Original Message -----
From: Radhakrishnan CV
> Doesn't hear much about Conference on the list.
I am having the knowledge about FSF-I limited around the website and this
list,
(doesn't have any idea about how can I help, so anticipated that if
anything )
> In the first place there is enough time of three weeks left now for
> the event. And the tentative dates of the program are available on
> the web site.
>
> Secondly, the working group convened on the last weekend to finalize
> dates and logistics. It's only Monday morning now, the authorized
> persons have to draft it and release to the main list. After all,
> FSF India do not enjoy the luxury of an office with supporting
> staff, so all things are at the mercy of time and efforts of the
> volunteers. As you can imagine, volunteers have pressures at their
> work especially in the beginning of a week.
>
> Be patient, the details will appear very very soon.
Will not be impatient, (I now think I had been impatient in process of
Registration also), but now you might have got the idea of my eagerness,
and again beg your pardon for spoiling The fine Monday Morning.
> Is everything arranged by few at Trivandrum? or its dealt with
>
> What a few at Trivandrum can accomplish without the help and support
I fully agree, and extend my support at anything i would be able to do, and
can detail more of my capabilities offlist if required.
But my contention was :
Are all the Arrangements left to them only, without any helping hands ?or
People are helping them but the discussions are offlist/ in person.
> of you people? I'm afraid the question ebbs from misapprehensions
> which is unwarranted in the light of what we have done so far.
I have a little idea about it since my lurking around FD.net and FD india.
(hope i am there in Archives :)
and I highly appriciate the efforts put by all of them who had made this to
happen in India, and I always wish to be a part of it if time permits.
> offlist? Would like to know about Participants to be present.
>
> I would respectfully disagree with this demand, it relates to the
> privacy of other persons. Are we authorized to reveal the names of
> the participants? The list has to decide.
>
I didn't intended to break the privacy of anyone, but i was eager to know
more about people I am going to see, and if it was a unfair, I dont have to
ask anything about it.
OTOH I request those prticipants to give me their contacts offlist, if they
can help this newcomer to understand this field when i am there at Tutorials
and Conference....
Hope that I had cleared the things, and would be allowed to know the things
at depth ( to the extent i am found to be fit.)
Thanking Again.
Denish Makadia
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 07:29:26 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Radhakrishnan CV)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:59:26 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] [LONG] Freedom First - Activities.
In-Reply-To: <00e001c0fe0d$05666340$6d6efea9@jignesh>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 at 12:06, Denish Makadia wrote:
Sorry for being impatient and shooting a mail with questions
only, instead of offering some help.and Thanks for taking all
the pain.
No problems, it is all part of any such efforts.
I am not connected with Computer Profession, and attracted to
FSF purely by the Philosophy it ( would have used WE) holds,
Excellent. We need people like you to come forward to take the
message to the people.
and quite exited to meet the people in person who leave by
that philosopy and unselfish motives. Moreover I would be
attending first Conference in *Computers * field, at which I
am a novice.{I am an Engineer in Plastics and work as a Works
Manager with some organisation in Baroda. }
It is the user community that we value much and indeed they are the
starting point of any change that Free Software can bring forth.
I am having the knowledge about FSF-I limited around the
website and this list, (doesn't have any idea about how can I
help, so anticipated that if anything )
You can help if you come a little earlier to the event, because we
need volunteers to do a variety of things. You can choose any type
of work that is fit for your mood, attitudes, abilities and so
on and it will be all the more fun and exciting for all of us.
> Be patient, the details will appear very very soon.
Will not be impatient, (I now think I had been impatient in
process of Registration also), but now you might have got the
idea of my eagerness, and again beg your pardon for spoiling
The fine Monday Morning.
Dont be apologetic, we are all in the same boat and are eager to see
things move fast. Within two days (possibly today itself) you will
hear announcements about the details of topics and resource persons
of the pre-conference tutorial.
But my contention was : Are all the Arrangements left to them
only, without any helping hands ?or People are helping them
but the discussions are offlist/ in person.
When an event is scheduled to happen at a particular geographical
location, naturally those available around can only help in the
logistics of the event at least in the initial period. Of course,
those from other parts of the country can do help during the event
which is always welcome from anyone.
I didn't intended to break the privacy of anyone, but i was
eager to know more about people I am going to see, and if it
was a unfair, I dont have to ask anything about it.
I was sure about your pristine intentions, but sadly everyone cant
be expected to agree with your request.
OTOH I request those prticipants to give me their contacts
offlist,
That would be fine. Also by around 5th July, we will create another
list for participants to inform them programs, announcements and to
answer if the partipants have any querries.
if they can help this newcomer to understand this
field when i am there at Tutorials and Conference....
Dont worry, most of the tutorial presentations will be made
available well in advance and the URLs will be sent to you, so that
you will be familiar with the topics/issues that are being covered
in the tutorial.
--
Radhakrishnan
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 09:09:16 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Vinay George)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:09:16 +0400
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
References:
Message-ID: <002e01c0fe1f$ae8aff00$c488a9ca@arackal.co.in>
Hi
I getting both slashdot and freshmeat.................
Vinay
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 11:56:46 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Suraj Kumar S.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:26:46 +0530
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
In-Reply-To: ; from raj@gnu.org.in on Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 03:20:23PM +0530
References:
Message-ID: <20010626172646.A21642@in.inapp.com>
raj, it was some local routing problem of asianet.
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 03:20:23PM +0530, Rajkumar S. wrote:
> I am not getting the slashdot and freshmeat for the past 2 days. The
> ip is not even pinging. Does any one experience the same problems?
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Tue Jun 26 13:16:55 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Rajkumar S.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:46:55 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [FSF-India] Slashdot and Freshmeat
In-Reply-To: <20010626172646.A21642@in.inapp.com>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Suraj Kumar S. wrote:
> raj, it was some local routing problem of asianet.
No. The main Andover.net router melted, taking /. fm and others off.
That was the reason. I posted the mail on sunday, due to some problem
it only turned up today.
raj
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 28 08:15:30 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Amitabh Trehan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [FSF-India] RMS' visit to Delhi
In-Reply-To: <15151.39218.304826.244781@mail.linux-delhi.org>
Message-ID: <20010628081530.17787.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com>
I've been hearing here(Delhi) that Stallman is likely
to visit IIT delhi. Is that true?
Amitabh
--- Raju Mathur wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Any updates on when RMS is likely to be in Delhi and
> if anything is
> fixed up? We'd like to plan given the itinerary.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Raju
> --
> Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org
> http://kandalaya.org/
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From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 28 09:22:09 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Loic Dachary)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:22:09 +0200
Subject: [FSF-India] FSF France activity report
Message-ID: <15162.63297.795588.239607@dachary.org>
Hi,
I'd like to share with you our activity report. You will find more
information about our activities in France at
http://france.fsfeurope.org/index.en.html. You will also see links to
GNU or FSF reprensentations world wide in the top right menu bar,
including FSF India ;-)
Take care,
----- http://france.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-05-20-01.en.html
FSF France activity report
The [1]FSF Europe presence in France started its activity on April
12, a little more than a month ago. We worked hard to launch the
core activities that will allow us to implement the goals of the
[2]FSF and the [3]FSF Europe : provide Free Software for everything
and everyone and protect its existence when it is threatened.
Building the [4]administrative and [5]informational infrastructure
came first. It's an endless task but we had to create something to
begin with: a [6]machine located in France that is integrated to
the [7]GNU project and a [8]French non profit organization.
Then it was necessary to establish working relationships with the
French association acting since years for the Free Software
movement in France: [9]APRIL. Cooperation between organizations
requires some amount of magic. After two [10]brainstormings, an
[11]exhibition, a [12]fiesta and many GNU project related
activities the magic apparently worked. [13]APRIL members feel they
belong to [14]the french chapter of FSF Europe (FSF France) and
[15]FSF France members feel they belong to [16]APRIL. A French
association dedicated to Free Software in education ([17]OFSET)
recently united to [18]FSF Europe and we expect the same symbiosis
From fsf-india@gnu.org.in Thu Jun 28 09:22:09 2001
From: fsf-india@gnu.org.in (Loic Dachary)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:22:09 +0200
Subject: [FSF-India] FSF France activity report
Message-ID: <15162.63297.795588.239607@dachary.org>
Hi,
I'd like to share with you our activity report. You will find more
information about our activities in France at
http://france.fsfeurope.org/index.en.html. You will also see links to
GNU or FSF reprensentations world wide in the top right menu bar,
including FSF India ;-)
Take care,
----- http://france.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-05-20-01.en.html
FSF France activity report
The [1]FSF Europe presence in France started its activity on April
12, a little more than a month ago. We worked hard to launch the
core activities that will allow us to implement the goals of the
[2]FSF and the [3]FSF Europe : provide Free Software for everything
and everyone and protect its existence when it is threatened.
Building the [4]administrative and [5]informational infrastructure
came first. It's an endless task but we had to create something to
begin with: a [6]machine located in France that is integrated to
the [7]GNU project and a [8]French non profit organization.
Then it was necessary to establish working relationships with the
French association acting since years for the Free Software
movement in France: [9]APRIL. Cooperation between organizations
requires some amount of magic. After two [10]brainstormings, an
[11]exhibition, a [12]fiesta and many GNU project related
activities the magic apparently worked. [13]APRIL members feel they
belong to [14]the french chapter of FSF Europe (FSF France) and
[15]FSF France members feel they belong to [16]APRIL. A French
association dedicated to Free Software in education ([17]OFSET)
recently united to [18]FSF Europe and we expect the same symbiosis